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Title: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 06, 2016, 11:31:40 AM

Hello.

Using Orux for years I was really stoked, that with the new v.6.5.5 Android wear support was increased.

I use a Nexus 5X and Moto 360 Sport.

Especially the introduction of a map was a big step.

But after some days trying I'm a little disappointed.

I want share my experience and problems, hoping to improve the Android Wear support for the future.

Maybe some one even has a quick solution for one of my problems. :)

Data Watch Face:

1. When starting tracking with Orux (from the watch or phone) the data watch faces should present the actual data like speed, altitude, etc.. this works very inconsistent.

a) It works as intended. Data shown and updated ongoing, even in ambient mode.

b) Data is shown but not updated. When I tap on the watch it is updated but only for the moment, no ongoing update.

c) Tracking on the phone is running. Phone shows the actual data, Watch shows no data at all. Even when the tracking was started from the watch.

2.) When switching to a other application on the watch, Orux is closing on the watch and has to be started again (Tracking on the phone is still running). Apps like Ghost Racer, Strava or Moto Run are can be easily accessed by swiping up.

3.) Data on watch faces are not editable and the amount of data watch faces should be also editable

4.) The data watch faces fit very well to the round Moto 360 and are very good readable.

Map Watch Face:

1.) Only Google Maps, no offline OSM or other maps are displayed.

2.) When the watch goes into ambient mode the map freezes. The map should also be updated in ambient mode.

3.) Orientation is always north up, I would prefer moving direction up.

4.) The gesture for closing the map with a long touch is not working very well during exercise or movement. I would prefer the gesture like google maps where I can swipe the map away.

Does anyone know how the voice control using wear app works and what features are included?

Cheers

Tobias

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 07, 2016, 09:17:31 AM

I forgot one important point.

- While following a track, the track is not displayed on the map on the watch.

This is a very important point for me and i would be stoked if this would be added. ;)

So far i have always to get the phone out of the pocket and if you have poles in the hand it is kind of inconvenience.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 07, 2016, 09:23:26 AM

I think I also find out what is meant with "voice control". It is possible to make Orux the connected add when giving the command to start a run.

As long as Orux is not running as standalone on the watch, I will use the Moto app or Ghost Runner for that purpose.

As fare I like it like it is Orux on the phone with control an information over wear for big tours. For den evening run I relay on smaller app.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: orux on May 09, 2016, 07:53:27 PM

~~Quote from: "Tobsn"~~I think I also find out what is meant with "voice control". It is possible to make Orux the connected add when giving the command to start a run.

As long as Orux is not running as standalone on the watch, I will use the Moto app or Ghost Runner for that purpose.

As fare I like it like it is Orux on the phone with control an information over wear for big tours. For den evening run I relay on smaller app.

Hello;

Thanks, I don't receive too much comments about the wear app, because of that I don't pay attention to it :)

Please, try with the last beta:

http://www.oruxmaps.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3664

If you are following a route, the route must be displayed.

2.-voice commands:

using 'ok google' feature:

"OK Google, start cycling"

"OK Google, start my bike ride"

"OK Google, stop cycling"

"OK Google, track my run"

"OK Google, start running"

"OK Google, stop running"

"OK Google, start a workout"

"OK Google, track my workout"

"OK Google, stop workout"

using oruxmaps wear app. Long press over the dashboard controls, then (only in English, translations soon):

"new waypoint"

"new segment"

"start recording"

"stop recording"

orux

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 10, 2016, 08:46:25 AM

~~Quote from: "orux"~~
~~Quote from: "Tobsn"~~...If you are following a route, the route must be displayed...

With the new Beta it works. :D Thanks.

That is a big improvement.

I use Orux a lot for ski touring and there it is very inconvenient always to get the phone out of the pocket. A quick log on the wrist to know if I'm still on track is much easier. Especially under severe weather conditions.

I will try the new Beta for some days and give you feed back.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 10, 2016, 05:51:10 PM

Orux I will receive soon my Android Wear watch so I'll be able to test.

Great the Route thing is awesome... Could you maybe make also please such a mode see picture here, sort of like compass direction arrow and range to waypoint -> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/aKnCJMeAwBDp_sHsmNFCcIJ582DK6EPxgR0XZc9CpypEP7xOAxoxW4-ArN0MiiZVaQ=h900

Also I would +1 if there is a way to display offline openandromap also on the watch :).

Sony Smartwatch 3 has internal gps, does it work with its internal gps too? Or must the gps on the phone be turned on. What about if phone dies..can the route be still displayed on the watch and location displayed throught the gps in my watch.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 12, 2016, 09:40:11 AM

~~Quote from: "msev"~~...Sony Smartwatch 3 has internal gps, does it work with its internal gps too? Or must the gps on the phone be turned on. What about if phone dies..can the route be still displayed on the watch and location displayed throught the gps in my watch.

Welcome, good to know not to be the only one who wants to use Orux with Android Wear. :)

The Sony is a good decision. You will love the transflective display.

Orux can use external GPS. I'm not sure which GPS is used by Orux while tracking.

I don't see a standalone version of Orux for Android Wear. I would prefer when the watch is just an extended screen and remote for the Orux app on the phone. Orux is a too powerful application that cannot be handled on the watch. And the watch dies long before the phone, yesterday started with 70% after 2.5 hours the watch was off, phone still tracking.

For the evening run there are enough standalone application for Android Wear. Try Ghost Race for your Sony 3.

By the way I made some month ago a small comparison (//http) between my Moto360, Garmin 800 and Orux on Nexus5X. The Moto was on my wrist, the Garmin on my handlebar and the Nexus5X in my backpack. The differences were really marginal.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 12, 2016, 09:52:43 AM

Here are some pictures from yesterday evening ride. I was running the beta 6.5.7.

It worked very well. The data pages where ongoing updated and the map shows the track. :D

After 2.5 hours the watch died with 10% battery left, started with 70%. With display and bluetooth always on I would say you can run Orux for around 3 hours on the watch.

And like you see on the picture, the values on the Garmin are very close to Orux. But you also see, that when there is no internet connection, like so often in the woods or mountains there is no map. Please add offline Map to android Wear.

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Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 12, 2016, 03:18:24 PM

I have the watch now for 1 day and I'm already enjoying it quite a lot. So you used always on screen, I wouldn't like to use too much light since I have a transreflective display on my SS3, so probably I'm looking at even more battery life?

So if I see correctly if internet data is not available it still shows the recorded route and relative position to the route? What about the heading that the watch (or the phone) is facing like if you are looking at the route or away from it. Such indicator would be really nice. Like the yellow one that shows the heading on the phone.

EDIT: now I tried it the beta. :) Its nice, here are my observations:

there is a basic heading indicator (the blue arrow besides the blue point), but it would be nice if it was bigger and more reactive. And does it use phones compass or watches compass?

Can the track be drawn when its being already logged? Since now it was drawn on the map only when I put it as route following. (for trip back)

The screen with the data values seems to turn on the light on my watch, so its turned on all the time. While i would preffer it to dim light to 0 since I have a transreflective display and can see data even if light is turned off..So I can conserve battery.

Since if light is constantly turned on it burns battery quicker.

Its good that even if data is turned off it still shows some more pixelated map which was loaded from before...So this is good, since mostly people just need an indication of the track

Also is it possible to customize which datafields one wants to have displayed on the watch?

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 13, 2016, 07:51:14 AM

~~Quote from: "msev"~~
Can the track be drawn when its being already logged? Since now it was drawn on the map only when I put it as route following. (for trip back)

I got the track only on the map when following.

Beside the track I'm following it should also show my actual track like on the phone app.

~~Quote from: "msev"~~
The screen with the data values seems to turn on the light on my watch, so its turned on all the time. While i would preffer it to dim light to 0 since I have a transreflective display and can see data even if light is turned off..So I can conserve battery.

Since if light is constantly turned on it burns battery quicker.

Yes, i observed that also. The watch is not going into ambient mode.

App like Moto-Body or Ghost Racer switch to ambient mode, which saves a lot of battery and is even more readable in daylight.

The Sony and the Moto have both display which uses the surrounding light. In bright sun they are better readable than every phone or gps handheld.

~~Quote from: "msev"~~Also is it possible to customize which datafields one wants to have displayed on the watch?

So fare I found no way, this would be great.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 13, 2016, 08:16:49 AM

One point I really don't like is the navigation to open and close the map face.

It just not work. :cry:

To open the map face I have to swipe from the data face left to get to the control face and then press the map icon. To press the map icon while running, hiking or cycling is quite challenging.

To close the map face I have to long press the map and then confirm. At home this works. But during activity I had to stop most of the time to close the map face. Even when cycling uphill on a paved road and the watch mounted on the bar it was not possible to close the watch face. I had to stop. :evil:

The Problem is, that if you not hold your finger on the watch completely still Orux things you want to move the map and instead of closing you just move the map.

I would prefer a navigation like on the garmin, where the map face is just like another data face and you swipe from one face to the other. To move the map during activity is not as important as to change the watch faces quick and easy. The map on the phone is just for a quick orientation, for real orientation I will use the bigger screen on the phone.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 13, 2016, 10:05:02 AM

For me it doesn't bother me since i use it mostly for hiking, so I can stop and long-press it hehe :D.

Maybe its done that way so that it conserves battery power?

So I think first priority would be - get that "ambient mode" working in the datafield. Second get datafields configurable (I just bought that miband with heart rate sensors, would be nice to display that heartrate data). And then third other stuff, better heading indicator and if possible offline maps :).

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 13, 2016, 01:29:19 PM

~~Quote from: "msev"~~... (I just bought that miband with heart rate sensors, would be nice to display that heartrate data)...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is exactly the one I wanna get rid off.

On my data face P0 heart rate is shown.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 13, 2016, 01:47:53 PM

Data Face P0:

- Altitude

- Speed

- Heading direction

- Heart rate

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Data Face P1:

- Distance

- Time

- Average speed

- Cumulative altitude meter

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Data Face P2:

- Distance to goal

- End time

- true bearing to goal

- % finished

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Configuration Face:

- Start record

- New waypoint

- New segment

- Configuration (mapstyle)

- Enter map face

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Map Face:

Terrain

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Normal

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Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 13, 2016, 06:58:12 PM

So you want to get rid of it because you already have a heart rate sensor in your watch right? Not because of some issues from miband?

~~Quote from: "Tobsn"~~
~~Quote from: "msev"~~... (I just bought that miband with heart rate sensors, would be nice to display that heartrate data)...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This is exactly the one I wanna get rid off.

On my data face P0 heart rate is shown.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 13, 2016, 07:36:57 PM

~~Quote from: "msev"~~So you want to get rid of it because you already have a heart rate sensor in your watch right? Not because of some issues from miband?...

No. ;)

I was racing for years and always looking for heart rate, power, ...

These days my aim is more to discover news landscapes and just be out in the nature.

I just don't care about my heart rate, I want to see other information.

And that is why we need customisable data faces, everyone has his own aim and ideas. :)

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 13, 2016, 07:44:47 PM

Yes indeed :), I also like to discover new landscapes. Here orux is a great help for navigating to returning back :). I'm really interested what orux is planning for android wear :)

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 15, 2016, 09:41:56 AM

So, I testet it during some more bike rides.

What works with Android Wear is to control Orux Maps from the watch, like a remote control. :)

- Start/Stop recording

- Set new waypoint

- Set new segment

What hast to be improved is displaying the information on the watch. ;)

- Data watch fase does not go into ambient mode and uses to much battery.

- Notifications are not shown, while running Orux on the watch.

- Map is not usable.

As Summary:

At the moment I use th Orux extension on Android wear to start/stop the recording, and then close it on the watch to save battery and be able to receive notification.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 15, 2016, 05:02:41 PM

For me for hiking the map is already usable (I wouldn't want it being removed ;) ). Would prefer if it would also show/draw the current track that I'm making. Otherwise for returning back its useful as a reference for where I walked.

So regarding the map orux please add current track drawing and if possible in the future also offline openandromap :P.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 16, 2016, 11:04:46 AM

No, I also don't want the Android Wear support be removed.

It is already a big step in the right direction.

But Orux spoiled us with the great performance and features of the app for the phone. 8-) 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on May 16, 2016, 10:12:12 PM

I will test the oruxmaps with the Sony SmartWatch 3 (SWR50).

I will report my experiences with my smartwatch.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 17, 2016, 10:00:39 AM

Welcome. ;)

A Hello from me up the Rhein from Mannheim.

Now we are 3 tester, the number of Android Wear users ist crowing rapidly. 8-)

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 17, 2016, 02:45:39 PM

So sometimes when in map mode and when in ambient mode the dot which shows the position isn't shown. Its not such a problem because i know that my position is in the center of the watch. And when i tap it, or flick wrist so that it turns on backlight the position dot is again immediatly shown.

Its a great help to find that one is on the correct route. Also its nice that at least the map goes into ambient mode, so I can have the map always on.

Ooo hello third member! We are expanding rapidly :D.

Would be nice to have and additional screen also with some arrow which shows in which direction the goal is + range to it. I tried some additional app, but it just wasn't up to oruxmaps standards :). Hehe

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on May 17, 2016, 09:17:48 PM

I go hiking at october. so i need a good app on my smartwatch.

Show my position and my track on a map. Or on a 'White / Empty Map'

And ETE, ETA of my track.

And more important things

Especially the SOS/SMS-Button on my WATCH.

If the Tablet or Smartphone is in the backpack.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 18, 2016, 12:52:11 PM

It would also be nice to have altitude profile on the map and current altitude indicated. Also it would be nice to be able to load the track as route with some button automaticly so it shows on the map, or with voice command.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 19, 2016, 09:09:14 AM

~~Quote from: "msev"~~It would also be nice to have altitude profile on the map and current altitude indicated...

Yes that would be nice.

Current altitude should be no problem and could be introduced with editable data fields.

An additional screen with altitude profile and the current position would be very, very nice :D

Like on the Garmin Edge series where you can run courses with altitude information

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~~Quote from: "msev"~~... Also it would be nice to be able to load the track as route with some button automaticly so it shows on the map, or with voice command.

I don't want to much functions and settings on the watch. I don't even see Orux as a standalone on the watch. For me the main settings have to be done on the phone, where the watch just displays some information transferred from the phone.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 19, 2016, 10:31:11 AM

I was just thinking so that I wouldn't need to put my phone out of the pocket or backpack. So everything of interest could be done via voice control or buttons. You know now if you want to have your latest trip as route you have to do it on the phone. Was thinking just about latest one, not to complicate with choosing between multiple ones.

What do you think?

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on May 19, 2016, 05:14:01 PM

Start OruxMaps

load a track (Trackmanager)

Navigation option

-> Follow Route

and

-> Start GPS

OK

OruxMaps displays all necessary details. :)

:D TOP! :D

SmartWatch

Menu -> Map

1a) The current position is displayed :)

1b) The current position is avlive til 'Ambient Mode' is displayed then stops updating :o

1c) There is no track on the clock display :cry:

1d) There is no waypoint (target) on the clock display. :cry:

1e) Press and hold -> Exit

Menu -> P0 and P2

(P1 -> Track Recorder)

2a) The display P0 and P2 are approximately 15 seconds currently :)

2b) then no longer updated :o

2c) A long press -> Google Talk appear and back - wait> one second

2d) Alive for 15 seconds again

3) The SMS button missing :cry:

@Tobsn
~~Quote~~I don't want to much functions and settings on the watch. I don't even see Orux as a standalone on the watch. For me the main settings have to be done on the phone, where the watch just displays some information transferred from the phone.

I agree - Only the important things

- Map

- Track

- POI

- Speed

- Altitude

- Rest of the track

or

- Distance to POI

But first: Don't STOP / FREEZE or is this a usererror?

Sometimes P0 doesn't work

Depends on WHAT :?:

Sometimes P0 will stay alive without 'freezing'

Depends on WHAT :?:

Using an app you can fix a timeout for Ambient Modus

-> Maps will stay longer alive :!:

MY Hiking priority list

Priority A

1) Show map :)

2) Show current location :)

3) Show current track :)

4) Show POI (may be limited: 10)

5) Show an empty map (white map) :)

6) SMS - SOS - Button

Priority B

1) Speed :)

2) Altitude :)

3) Bearing :)

4) Track til Start :)

5) Track til End :)

6) Set WP :)

Priority C

1) ETE :)

2) SAT fix

3) Clock

4) POI List

5) Altitude Delta to aim

6) Track Alert -> Vibration

7) WP Alert -> Vibration

Best Regards

Frank

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 20, 2016, 01:45:43 PM

Here is a glimpse what google is preparing for next iteration of the wear platform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Z3gSXGsyI

Hopefully our older watches like my Sony Smartwatch 3 will get it too.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: tuxman on May 23, 2016, 12:21:53 AM

~~Quote from: "FG1961"~~I will test the oruxmaps with the Sony SmartWatch 3 (SWR50).

I will report my experiences with my smartwatch.

I was thinking about buying this watch, how is your experience?

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 23, 2016, 08:14:30 AM

~~Quote from: "FG1961"~~...

1b) The current position is avlive til 'Ambient Mode' is displayed then stops updating :o ...

:evil:

Yes, this is also what me bugs most.

This together with showing offline maps and orientation of the map in moving direction

But even Google Maps is not that much better :o

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Here you see how it looks when navigate with google Maps.

Ok, the Map orientation is in moving direction.

Ok, the ambient mode is very good readable.

But, the map is also not ongoing updated. :evil:

(On the example I'm already outside of the Map. The funny thing is, that the text in the lower area is correct. :D )

And on google I can not follow .gpx Tracks. :cry:

:)

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 23, 2016, 02:51:40 PM

Hopefully it would be configurable all the settings :).. Yeah you can only follow gpx with oruxmaps map on the smartwatch.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on May 23, 2016, 05:07:56 PM

Today, a new version was on my SmartWatch.

For whatever reason

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The fact is

SmartWatch

Menu

Start recording a track and GPS :) / Stopp recording the track (//%3C/s%3Ehttps://abload.de/thumb/screenp0r4j2p.png%3Ce%3E) (//http)

ETE = zero, because I stopped walking

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Recording a Track (Menu: Start / Stopp)

P1 the track data are displayed :)

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Map type: None

3) The SMS button missing :cry:

The app Lightr - Longer backlight can manage the ambient mode.

//https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=us.instext.lightr
Code Select Expand There are 4 options in FREE version: • Off - let system as default • 10 seconds • 30 seconds • 1 minute
Works fine :)

Best Regards Frank

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 24, 2016, 07:32:14 AM

~~Quote from: "FG1961"~~Today, a new version was on my SmartWatch.

For whatever reason

The fact is

SmartWatch...

This is the 6.5.7. which I tried already for several days (Orux recommended it in this thread) and matches my observations.

Big improvement compared with the 6.5.6.

Will try the new Beta 6.5.8. soon. :)

~~Quote from: "FG1961"~~
The app Lightr - Longer backlight can manage the ambient mode.

//https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=us.instext.lightr
Code Select Expand There are 4 options in FREE version: • Off - let system as default • 10 seconds • 30 seconds • 1 minute
Works fine :)

Best Regards Frank

Ok, will try this. Thanks. ;)

The backlight should be outdoor anyway automatically reduced to a minimum (mine is doing that) and therefore it has not necessarily switch to ambient mode to save battery.

The Sony 3 and the Moto 360 Sport have a reflective component in there display, so we don't need backlight.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 24, 2016, 08:32:01 AM

~~Quote from: "FG1961"~~...

The app Lightr - Longer backlight can manage the ambient mode.

//https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=us.instext.lightr
Code Select Expand There are 4 options in FREE version: • Off - let system as default • 10 seconds • 30 seconds • 1 minute
Works fine :)

Best Regards Frank

Tried it, works fine. :D

As a workaround for now ok.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 24, 2016, 11:27:42 AM

I don't quite understand, this app Lightr increases backlight time right? So its useless for us who want less backlight time? Or am I missing something?

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 24, 2016, 11:45:24 AM

~~Quote from: "msev"~~I don't quite understand, this app Lightr increases backlight time right? So its useless for us who want less backlight time? Or am I missing something?

It just increases the time before the watch changes into ambient mode.

How much backlight is used, depends on the watch and mode.

My watch (Moto 360 Sport) has a light sensor in the lower part under the display (Flat Tire). When I'm outdoor and it's enough light (which is most of the time) it uses the reflective and not the backlight display, regardless wich mode.

Your Sony 3 also has an "ambient light sensors", I don't know if it only works in ambient mode or both mode.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 24, 2016, 02:18:40 PM

Yeah mine has too, but i just use the lowest setting. So I don't care about that :D.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on May 24, 2016, 04:16:31 PM

Next test: WP on map

Waypoints are not displayed :(

A sequence of waypoints will nor be displayed as a route :(

The tablet shows the sequence of waypoints as a route :)

P2

The distance, ETE and bearing to the next WP is displayed :)

And automatically jumps to the next point :)

@ORUX

- Many waypoints are visible on the smartwatch

- A sequence of waypoints also

- SMS Button

Best Regards

Frank

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: tuxman on May 27, 2016, 12:33:14 AM

I've got my sony smartwatch 3 finally :P

Playing with it a bit, lovely so far.

Oruxmaps installed and connected to phone, tomorrow I'll try it outside.

Something I don't understand very well yet, when Oruxmaps is running and watch goes to screen off (is it what you call ambient mode?) after touching the screen I got back to watch face screen and need to go to app menu to open oruxmaps again. How can I go directly from sleep mode to oruxmap?

Thanks for all your previous and future posts

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on May 27, 2016, 09:49:49 AM

~~Quote from: "tuxman"~~I've got my sony smartwatch 3 finally :P

Playing with it a bit, lovely so far.

Oruxmaps installed and connected to phone, tomorrow I'll try it outside...

Good choice. :geek:

~~Quote from: "tuxman"~~...

Something I don't understand very well yet, when Oruxmaps is running and watch goes to screen off (is it what you call ambient mode?) after touching the screen I got back to watch face screen and need to go to app menu to open oruxmaps again. How can I go directly from sleep mode to oruxmap?

Thanks for all your previous and future posts

The "screen off" is not the "ambient mode (//https)".

On ambient mode the screen is still visible, but with less color or even a different screen is shown. e.g. Google Maps or watch faces.

Maybe you have to switch on the ambient mode? Have you set your display to "always on" in the settings of your watch or android wear app?

The problem that you have to start Orux on the watch every time you leave the application on the watch, I already mentioned and should be fixed. :evil:

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on May 27, 2016, 10:11:50 AM

That is true, would be better if there was a persistent notification on the watch-face while it was tracking or following a route. Good idea Tobsn I forgot you already mentioned that :). But now for me for example its also quite easy. I have "Wear Mini Launcher" installed and have Oruxmaps Beta as Favourite app, so I just swipe from top left of the watch and i get into the launcher and there I tap on the oruxmaps icon which I have always on the top. So I can quickly get into the app, and then out of it to conserve battery.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on June 23, 2016, 09:53:15 AM

It is so quiet here :)

Begin of July I planning a MTB trip to the Pyrenäen and already prepared my Orux with maps and tracks. But i think the watch will stay at home.

As long as it can't display offline maps and the map navigation is more comfortable I relay on my Garmin at the handle bar and the phone with Orux in my backpack/pocket.

:)

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: tuxman on June 23, 2016, 01:07:35 PM

Hi!

thanks Tobsn for weak me up :D

I have been testing my sony smartwatch with oruxmaps for a while.

Battery consumption is a problem, keeping screen on takes half of the battery in less than 3 hours.

What I did is to add a short cut in my watch face using Watchmaker app, so I switch watch screen off covering it with my hand and activate oruxmaps again just touching my shortcut. When activating screen it goes to the same oruxmaps point (P0, P1, ...) where I left, that's nice. The problem is some times it takes long time (a minute maximum) to refresh data from the phone, other times you get the data straight away. I don't use much maps in the watch, its nice to have the route for fast checking but to take a good decision in a crossroad I have to check phone maps, it could be great to have same maps in watch and phone. When switching screen off from map, I don't need to use that shortcut, just goes back to map again just touching screen.

Screens P0, P1, P2 are OK but could be better if customizable. In P1 I've got the figures I need to check fast when riding but I would appreciate to put another line of data maybe moving the oruxmaps logo to the right up corner.

When GPS is off in the phone, watch start track button doesn't work, it could be interesting (I don't know if possible) to activate phone GPS automatically when using that button.

Despite all the commented improvements to do, I am more than happy with SW3+oruxmaps.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on June 23, 2016, 05:53:52 PM

~~Quote from: "Tobsn"~~It is so quiet here :)

Begin of July I planning a MTB trip to the Pyrenäen and already prepared my Orux with maps and tracks. But i think the watch will stay at home.

As long as it can't display offline maps and the map navigation is more comfortable I relay on my Garmin at the handle bar and the phone with Orux in my backpack/pocket.

:)

Offline maps are displayed.

See track and see offline map :!:

But my experience: No Map is better, Only the track i want to hike, ride. swim, walk, fly

Because a better contrast

Frank

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on June 24, 2016, 07:14:35 AM

~~Quote from: "FG1961"~~
Offline maps are displayed.

See track and see offline map :!:

Ok.

I still got only None, Normal, Satellite, Terrain and Hybrid (all google) as option for the map type. :?:

What version of orux you are nunning?

I have the 6.5.9 installed.

:)

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on June 24, 2016, 09:10:54 AM

I think he only means that with no internet you get no map :D.

Btw orux made a new version (beta3) in which he said that he added ambient mode support in the "numbers" pages, also he added support for displaying waypoints....But I tried it and none of those features work, I get same features as in previous version + my heartrate sensor doesn't work in latest beta (miband 1s - it worked in beta1, in beta2 it didn't also).

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: TheFrog on June 26, 2016, 02:39:27 PM

How do I use offline maps? I use oruxmaps 6.5.8b3 and have found no way how to do it.

I bought a Sony Smartwatch 3 and am pretty elated how well it works with oruxmaps. My primary use is for following a route on hiking trips. I have only tested it once on a short trip so far but it worked really well (but I had internet connection all the time).

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on June 29, 2016, 09:45:20 PM

I have 6.5.9 Google play store.

Offline or online maps are displayed on my watch.

(Unless the offline map is loaded from cache.)

But I can't see my track or my waypoints loaded and displayed on my tablet.

May be an user error.

addendum 1

The track only appears when the route is followed.

I recommend to take map: NONE

The contrast is optimal 8-)

addendum 2

The Waypoint does not appears.

Not even if I follow him.

Gesendet von meinem SM-T325 mit Tapatalk

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on July 12, 2016, 10:49:21 AM

~~Quote from: "FG1961"~~I have 6.5.9 Google play store.

Offline or online maps are displayed on my watch...

Can you make a screenshot?

(AndroidWear App on you phone: "the three dots in the upper right hand corner" --> "Take wearable-screenshot" ("Wearable-screenshot erstellen))

And what map type did you choose on the watch to display offline maps? None, Normal, Satellite, Terrain and Hybrid?

Do you display google offline maps or also OSM, IGN, ... ?

It would be awesome if the watch could display offline maps.

Thanks

Tobias

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: orux on July 12, 2016, 09:06:11 PM

~~Quote from: "Tobsn"~~
~~Quote from: "FG1961"~~I have 6.5.9 Google play store.

Offline or online maps are displayed on my watch...

Can you make a screenshot?

(AndroidWear App on you phone: "the three dots in the upper right hand corner" --> "Take wearable-screenshot" ("Wearable-screenshot erstellen))

And what map type did you choose on the watch to display offline maps? None, Normal, Satellite, Terrain and Hybrid?

Do you display google offline maps or also OSM, IGN, ... ?

It would be awesome if the watch could display offline maps.

Thanks

Tobias

Hello;

It is not possible, because the wear app uses google maps engine (only online maps).

If you don't see the wearable app correctly, I think that there are interferences if you are using both google play and beta version.

orux

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on July 12, 2016, 09:50:45 PM

~~Quote from: "orux"~~
Hello;

It is not possible, because the wear app uses google maps engine (only online maps).

If you don't see the wearable app correctly, I think that there are interferences if you are using both google play and beta version.

orux

Thanks for the clarification.

That is what I thought, that you using an existing engine provided by google. :)

My wear app works fine. Using it more and more.

I'm just back from one week Pyrenees using Orux intensively.

Best App :D

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on July 12, 2016, 10:07:21 PM

I test it again.

~~(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://abload.de/thumb/settingssfsma.png%3Ce%3E) (//http)~~

~~(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://abload.de/thumb/karte_klein0gsv3.png%3Ce%3E) (//http)~~

~~(//%3C/s%3Ehttps://abload.de/thumb/karte_grossehsij.png%3Ce%3E) (//http)~~

But!

The last picture could not be, because the offline map is not completely captured in this area.

But!

I was completely offline. No Wifi, no GPRS!

I have wiped and wiped and wiped.

Europe was present. Not in detail. But as an overview.

Where is the cache?

Frank

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on July 12, 2016, 10:19:03 PM

~~Quote from: "FG1961"~~
Where is the cache?

Frank

Can you try it again, empty cache for Maps first

Settings --> Apps --> Maps --> Memory (Speicher) --> Empty Cache (Cache leeren)

Thanks

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on July 13, 2016, 07:45:43 PM

Offline: Wifi and data

Global Settings -> Maps -> Reset online cache -> ALL

==> There is no google map in the overwiew

Display is my offline map 'Rheinland-Pfalz'

Start app wear

Settings Map Normal

Map -> There is a map diplayed.

Europe still has a good level of detail. America is only available in an overview. The ROW is not available.

addendum

I turned off the smartphone (tablet) and restart the smartwatch.

The map on the smartwatch is still displayed.

In the area where I have already been online the street names are displayed.

In the other areas only motorways and major highways.

The card must be therefore stored in the watch.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on July 14, 2016, 07:45:35 AM

Interesting.

I have to test this also.

Would be nice to know, from which cache google takes the map when offline. ;)

@orux: Is or will there be a other engine besides google maps to display maps in android wear?

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: 6745th@web.de on July 14, 2016, 11:55:16 AM

Maybe:

/sdcard2/andnav2

Here I find always tiles, I don't know who creates this.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on July 14, 2016, 12:17:14 PM

Does this latest beta bring any fixes for Android Wear - for example displaying WPs? Or ambient mode in stats display? Since these features doesn't work in earlier versions.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on July 20, 2016, 06:48:59 PM

Google Maps!

The tiles are provided ONLINE.

OFFLINE probably goes just like Google Maps OFFLINE save.

Perhaps there are also (Google Maps) the Tiles and Oruxmaps makes use only of these.

As a freeloader.

Try me out.

Select uncharted territory - - Google Maps store and 'go' with Oruxmaps.

Let's see what I see.

Test result!

Oruxmaps (Tablet / Smarty) is NOT active.

(1) I am in an unknown city.

There is blurred everything.

Offline: Nothing happens

Online: After a while, the tiles are loaded.

Loading map!

(2a) I start Google Maps (online) on the tablet / smarty and 'wipe' to unknown destination.

The map is because online, saved and loaded.

OFFLINE turn now everything off: Wifi and UMTS

(2b) I start Oruxmaps Wear app -> Map

And wipe to the target point.

Simsalabim: The card is given exactly again. Base: Tiles of Google Maps on your tablet or smarty.

Oruxmaps (Tablet / Smarty) thus has NOTHING to do!

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Tobsn on July 27, 2016, 10:23:58 AM

I can't confirm that. ;)

I also downloaded a certain area on google maps as offline map.

But it does not really covers the same area which is offline presented by the orux wear extension. It really confuses me. :?

It would be nice if the google maps engine on android wear would use google maps offline maps.

Especially because google just introduced the "WIFI only" option for maps.

;)

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on July 27, 2016, 10:07:56 PM

I will try the Google Maps Cache on my Tablet to delete.

Then the (useless) map should disappear.

It is only a rough overview on the smartwatch display.

When I'm online (3G), the tiles loaded and displayed on the smartwatch - right?

If I'm offline (3G) stored tiles are still displayed on the smartwatch - right?

Greeting Frank

addendum

I have the cache Google Maps deleted.

On the smartphone or tablet no map is displayed (offline).

However, the map is still displayed on the smartwatch.

Even after restarting the smartwatch, the card sit there.

One area of the map are very accurate. All other areas are blurred.

Thus, the map is hidden on the smartwatch.

@orux: In which directory?

BTW

Google Maps Offlinekarten Settings (gear wheel)

Download settings

- Wifi (Standard)

- Wifi or 'mobil network'

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Joska on August 31, 2016, 08:37:45 PM

Hello

I'm using OM since more than 4 years, and since four weeks, I'd tried to use the Sony SWR50 with OM. As described in Android-Hilfe-Forum, the experiment of connecting Smartwatch and Smartphone (Sony Z5c and SWR50) was full of disappointment.

Since now, it is not possible, to display a route or track on the watch. Maps displaying became successful after changing the watch (!), updating all apks twice and deinstalling android wear app, shutting down the phone, restarting and reinstallation of android wear app again...

Sometimes, I felt like running through a labyrinth.

Know, I'm using OM 6.5.10 (no beta), Android 6.0.1 Build 32.2.A.0.253.

It's possible to start an stop tracks, but sometimes, the track disapears and is not saved.

I'm interested in further development of the waer app, because of battery saving, voice-command-control and esp. live-tracking-control while walking, hiking etc etc.

If necessary, I would (like to) pay an additional amount to support this dev.

Best regards, Joska

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: Joska on September 22, 2016, 09:03:37 PM

Hello Orux

Do you plan, to support more features of android wear. Today, it is possible to see and follow a loaded Route.gpx, but is isn't possible, to watch an open live-recorded track. I think, this is an important feature for using an android smartwatch with Oruxmaps.

Best regards, Joska

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on January 05, 2017, 06:00:13 PM

PUSH

@orux

3) The SMS / SOS button missing :cry:

The smartphone may be in the backpack or in the jacket pocket.

The arm is mostly within reach ;)

Best Regards

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: hias on January 23, 2017, 02:56:41 PM

Hello Orux,

are you planing to support a standalone mode for Android Wear using the watch internal GPS for recording tracks?

I am using a Sony Smart Watch 3 for activities like running. At the moment I use the app Ghostracer which seems to be the ony app supporting Standalone mode and displaying the track later at the display of the phone.

Best regards

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: msev on January 30, 2017, 09:37:12 AM

So seems Sony Smartwatch 3 will receive Android Wear 2.0...Hopefully that update won't break orux's app since it is useful.

Orux after Wear 2.0 gets out will you iron the bugs out so we at least have the existing functionality as we do now?

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: 78Br1 on January 30, 2017, 02:36:29 PM

Hello Orux,

this is my first post.

I've been using OM for years for trekking on Italian southern mountains.

Congratulations for the app, clear and functional.

Reading this forum, I've noticed a difference with others users. I'll try to explain.

On my Sony SmartWatch 3, connected with a Sony Xperia Z2 (OM v6.5.10), in the map face I can see ONLY the route to be followed, without any indication about my position. My position is always centered on the watch screen (if I try to pan the map, it immediately move in order to center my position, but without any cursor).

Is it an error in my settings?

The second issue (minor): is it solved the problem with the impossibility to have the ambient monitor on P0-P1-P2 faces. How do you manage in order to save the battery?

Thanks a lot

Bruno

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: ieslei on July 12, 2017, 03:12:18 AM

Hi guys. I am new here. I always used the Orux app on my phone and love it. I recently bought a Casio Wsd-f20 smart watch and i noticed how poor the trekking apps are. The Casio activity app doesn`t follow routes(which i find ridiculous) and the Viewranger app works with a totally different kind of map and does not allow to move around the map, only zoom in or out. I am very frustrated about this watch. I was hoping that Orux would have a solution for this but, unfortunately, when i try to find the Orux app from appstore it doesn't show as a result. I think it might be some incompatibility with my android wear version. It would be sooooo perfect if i could save my tracklogs, follow routes and it would be even more perfect if i could use my offline opensource maps...

Is there a way i could help it happen?

Thanks everyone.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: ieslei on July 12, 2017, 03:15:56 AM

Hi guys. I am new here. I always used the Orux app on my phone and love it. I recently bought a Casio Wsd-f20 smart watch and i noticed how poor the trekking apps are. The Casio activity app doesn`t follow routes(which i find ridiculous) and the Viewranger app works with a totally different kind of map and does not allow to move around the map, only zoom in or out. I am very frustrated about this watch. I was hoping that Orux would have a solution for this but, unfortunately, when i try to find the Orux app from appstore it doesn't show as a result. I think it might be some incompatibility with my android wear version. It would be sooooo perfect if i could save my tracklogs, follow routes and it would be even more perfect if i could use my offline opensource maps...

Is there a way i could help it happen?

Thanks everyone.

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: FG1961 on July 15, 2017, 08:49:46 AM

SMS Button Very important for the safety

Thx in advance

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: mntr86 on July 19, 2017, 12:13:55 PM

Dear all, Did any of oyu have tried oruxmaps with tizen (samsung smartwatch system)? is it compatible?

Thank you

Title: Re: Android wear
Post by: AlbertC13 on June 02, 2018, 08:47:41 PM

Do you have the last APK installer of OruxMaps for Android Wear? Can you share the download link?

Thanks

OruxMaps

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