OruxMaps

Today we start a new series of betas.

1.-A major change. Added permission to access all files. In this way, it is not necessary to install any old apk so that the app can access the internal storage. The app asks when installing it (from scratch) if access to this permission is allowed.

Let's hope that Google Play does not put obstacles.


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orux

Hello Orux,
thank you for having been in super busy mode - it was definitely worthwhile.

Here the results of my first quick tests:

1 a)  VTM viewer with vector maps
I really like the VTM viewer with vector maps: zooming and scrolling is very fast and smooth (even on my quite old phone) – a great improvement.

Disadvantages / problems:

• the colours are very pale when hill shading is on (tested with Elevate and Tiramisu theme) (screenshot)
• the texts and symbols are quite small and the scaling options (scale factor, mapsforge text size, symbols scale factor) don't work (but maybe these are the limitations you were writing about)
• cliffs are not rendered correctly (screenshot)
• as VTM viewer can rotate labels, imho a compass symbol which shows the rotation of the map would be useful, otherwise it is possible to confuse the cardinal points. Tapping on the symbol should rotate the map back to the orientation given in the preferences (e.g. north = up). (suggestion in screenshot)

1 b) VTM viewer with raster maps
also quite good, but sometimes Oruxmaps crashes when changing the map

2) Google Earth
works perfectly
If you don't have Earth installed, a wrong error message comes up: 'Error sending mail'

3) Tools for OpenStreetMaps editors
I'm still on MIUI 11 (Android 7) so I can't test it :'(

4) average positioning
works perfectly
In the next weeks I will test if (and dhow much) positioning is more accurate (with a Altus NR3).


Regards
Lenz

Quote from: Lenz on November 25, 2022, 09:44:29 AM
Hello Orux,
thank you for having been in super busy mode - it was definitely worthwhile.

Here the results of my first quick tests:

1 a)  VTM viewer with vector maps
I really like the VTM viewer with vector maps: zooming and scrolling is very fast and smooth (even on my quite old phone) – a great improvement.

Disadvantages / problems:

• the colours are very pale when hill shading is on (tested with Elevate and Tiramisu theme) (screenshot)
• the texts and symbols are quite small and the scaling options (scale factor, mapsforge text size, symbols scale factor) don't work (but maybe these are the limitations you were writing about)
• cliffs are not rendered correctly (screenshot)
• as VTM viewer can rotate labels, imho a compass symbol which shows the rotation of the map would be useful, otherwise it is possible to confuse the cardinal points. Tapping on the symbol should rotate the map back to the orientation given in the preferences (e.g. north = up). (suggestion in screenshot)

1 b) VTM viewer with raster maps
also quite good, but sometimes Oruxmaps crashes when changing the map

2) Google Earth
works perfectly
If you don't have Earth installed, a wrong error message comes up: 'Error sending mail'

3) Tools for OpenStreetMaps editors
I'm still on MIUI 11 (Android 7) so I can't test it :'(

4) average positioning
works perfectly
In the next weeks I will test if (and dhow much) positioning is more accurate (with a Altus NR3).


Regards
Lenz

Your observations are perfect.Seeing that you liked the vtm.I share some renderstheme for this type of viewer, they are for mapsforge, simple themes without adjustments but very attractive

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c5HRkRJXk9Ec1Aa6fzvXkWL52bQmRa8g/view?usp=drivesdk



On the subject of including a compass in this viewer, I would add that when you press the compass the map will be oriented to the north as it happens in the Mapbox 3D Viewer.

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Quote from: Tronpo on November 26, 2022, 10:47:19 AM
Your observations are perfect.Seeing that you liked the vtm.I share some renderstheme for this type of viewer, they are for mapsforge, simple themes without adjustments but very attractive

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c5HRkRJXk9Ec1Aa6fzvXkWL52bQmRa8g/view?usp=drivesdk



On the subject of including a compass in this viewer, I would add that when you press the compass the map will be oriented to the north as it happens in the Mapbox 3D Viewer.

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I did not realize that you had also proposed the orientation when pressing the icon👍

Quote from: Lenz on November 25, 2022, 09:44:29 AM

Disadvantages / problems:

   
• the colours are very pale when hill shading is on (tested with Elevate and Tiramisu theme) (screenshot)

Yes, but I can not apply the same procedure than with the old viewer. I can not multiply both layers, only overlay the shadows with a different transparency level. I will try in next version with more transparency level.

Quote from: Lenz on November 25, 2022, 09:44:29 AM

   
• the texts and symbols are quite small and the scaling options (scale factor, mapsforge text size, symbols scale factor) don't work (but maybe these are the limitations you were writing about)

Try with beta2 version, you can apply a factor scale to mapsforge maps.

Quote from: Lenz on November 25, 2022, 09:44:29 AM

   
• cliffs are not rendered correctly (screenshot)

Strange, it is a problem inside the library...

Quote from: Lenz on November 25, 2022, 09:44:29 AM

   
• as VTM viewer can rotate labels, imho a compass symbol which shows the rotation of the map would be useful, otherwise it is possible to confuse the cardinal points. Tapping on the symbol should rotate the map back to the orientation given in the preferences (e.g. north = up). (suggestion in screenshot)

Try with beta2.

Quote from: Lenz on November 25, 2022, 09:44:29 AM
1 b) VTM viewer with raster maps
also quite good, but sometimes Oruxmaps crashes when changing the map

Hard to debug, I will check,

orux

Hello Orux,

scale factor, compass
simply perfect

VTM + raster maps
The crashes (after freezing for up to half a minute) do not occur on every change of a map or always with a specific map. Maybe it is a phone related error.

pale colours
It's really a pity that the saturation and contrast of the old viewer is not reproducable by simple means. With the transparency level in beta 2, hill shading is nearly invisible in bright light.

@Tronpo
Thank you for your themes. I've been using (and modifying for my purposes) Elevate for years and I don't want to do without.

Muy buenas
Oruxmaps 9.7 Beta 2
Cuando activo el visor VTM no puedo poner los mapas en 3D y me sale el siguiente comentario:
Lo sentimos. No disponible en el mapa actual
Lo he probado con mapa raster del IGN y con OAM y sale el mismo comentario.
Saludos cordiales

1) I also, the same problem as previous posted by asturcon_53 :(
Oruxmaps 9.7 Beta 2 with settings-->maps-->mapsforge maps-->VTM viewe + b) settings-->maps-->-->use VTM viewer
I cannot see 3D maps OAM:  "sorry, not avaible with current loaded map"
If upper setting disabled I can see 3D mapas, as I can see on the same phone vith GP version on android 10

2) From the map viewer, if I click on the path of a Track/route I see no new button to see it on Earth, but only a box with segment information...

I'm afraid to mistake something..  :-[

Quote from: ut on November 27, 2022, 05:11:26 PM
1) I also, the same problem as previous posted by asturcon_53 :(
Oruxmaps 9.7 Beta 2 with settings-->maps-->mapsforge maps-->VTM viewe + b) settings-->maps-->-->use VTM viewer
I cannot see 3D maps OAM:  "sorry, not avaible with current loaded map"
If upper setting disabled I can see 3D mapas, as I can see on the same phone vith GP version on android 10

2) From the map viewer, if I click on the path of a Track/route I see no new button to see it on Earth, but only a box with segment information...

I'm afraid to mistake something..  :-[

clicking the route brings up the segment options bubble.press and the segment menu appears to the right of the upper line you have the icon from Google Earth.You must have the G Earth app installed for it to work.
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Quote from: Tronpo on November 28, 2022, 07:48:21 AM
clicking the route brings up the segment options bubble.press and the segment menu appears to the right of the upper line you have the icon from Google Earth.You must have the G Earth app installed for it to work.
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thank you very much Tronpo, now I can see tracks on Earth! Wonderfull 8)
:-[ I still don't understand how to use VTM viewer .... Maybe because I use OpenAndroMaps and I need others maps?

QuoteI still don't understand how to use VTM viewer .... Maybe because I use OpenAndroMaps and I need others maps?

You can either activate the VTM Viewer for vector maps like OpenAndroMaps only (global settings - maps - mapsforge settings - vtm map viewer) or all kinds of maps (global settings - maps - vtm map viewer).

Lenz

Quote from: Lenz on November 28, 2022, 01:08:08 PM
You can either activate the VTM Viewer for vector maps like OpenAndroMaps only (global settings - maps - mapsforge settings - vtm map viewer) or all kinds of maps (global settings - maps - vtm map viewer).

Lenz

Thanks Lenz, I understood my mistake: using OAM only I have to use only: global settings - maps - mapsforge settings - vtm map viewer!

Now it works perfectly, but the cursor is  the in the center and not shifted in botton as by my settings,  apparently ignored by VTM viewer.. :o

Hola
Según lo expuesto por Trompo entiendo que para poder usar el nuevo visor VTM hay que tener instalado Google Eart lo que conlleva gastar recursos en el móvil.
Haber si JV nos hecha una mano y podemos usar el nuevo visor sin tener que depender de aplicaciones extras.
Saludos

Hello, a small doubt: I found the new menu item: maps - legend, but it says not available for my map...
What file does this item expect to read and where should it be placed?

I use OAM with elevated theme and it would be convenient for me to open the .pdf associated with its symbols..

Quote from: asturcon_53 on November 29, 2022, 08:22:43 AM
Hola
Según lo expuesto por Trompo entiendo que para poder usar el nuevo visor VTM hay que tener instalado Google Eart lo que conlleva gastar recursos en el móvil.
Haber si JV nos hecha una mano y podemos usar el nuevo visor sin tener que depender de aplicaciones extras.
Saludos

Noooo, nothing is needed for the vtm.Earth app is required to use the Earth button.

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Quote from: ut on November 29, 2022, 09:46:47 AM
Hello, a small doubt: I found the new menu item: maps - legend, but it says not available for my map...
What file does this item expect to read and where should it be placed?

I use OAM with elevated theme and it would be convenient for me to open the .pdf associated with its symbols..

Mapsforge Legends [shortcut] Beta 7. We have a new function for Mapsforge maps, such as being able to view the legend of the map from Oruxmaps. Requirements: 1-Have the legend 🤣 (in your language preferably 😅) 2-Configure the access path. 3- Configuration is currently only possible in the unified interface.

Manage theme legends: This is the step to configure the access path. By default Oruxmaps will search the mapstyles folder. We can have the legend in the same folder of the theme (it is usually included in English) Or have a folder with all the legends (in my case translated). We can attach to the shortcut the legend in PDF or online mode (URL) depending on how we have it.

Video👇
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ccKLaA4fIkPV4MQbAagn9YcqPbcsl6h5/view?usp=drivesdk

To view the legend we just have to go back to the mapsforge theme menu and click on the legend icon.
Video👇
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ciHKnNBVQYp49vxJbwt47dodihmbaiGK/view?usp=drivesdk

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Hello!


I just updated the beta with some changes.


orux

Quote from: Tronpo on November 29, 2022, 10:33:37 AM
Mapsforge Legends [shortcut] Beta 7. We have a new function for Mapsforge maps, such as being able to view the legend of the map from Oruxmaps. Requirements: 1-Have the legend 🤣 (in your language preferably 😅) 2-Configure the access path. 3- Configuration is currently only possible in the unified interface.

Manage theme legends: This is the step to configure the access path. By default Oruxmaps will search the mapstyles folder. We can have the legend in the same folder of the theme (it is usually included in English) Or have a folder with all the legends (in my case translated). We can attach to the shortcut the legend in PDF or online mode (URL) depending on how we have it.

Video👇
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ccKLaA4fIkPV4MQbAagn9YcqPbcsl6h5/view?usp=drivesdk

To view the legend we just have to go back to the mapsforge theme menu and click on the legend icon.
Video👇
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ciHKnNBVQYp49vxJbwt47dodihmbaiGK/view?usp=drivesdk

🅃🅁🄾🄽🄿🄾

Thanks Tronpo, I understood the problem: I have to use Unified Interface !! Now  I managed to configure it and it works perfectly ;D
It would be nice if this function could be configured even without using Unified Interface, which old users, like me, don't love...

About VTM with Garmin vector maps (made from OpneMtbMaps) using the last Beta 4.

Hello Orux, it may be I have not understood the usage of the VTM option.

I enabled it (VTM map viewer), but I cannot see any difference in the rendering of the Garmin vector maps.

Am I missing something?

Kind regards, Andrea

Quote from: orux on November 24, 2022, 05:41:54 PM
beta4:
-->Added a new option to get voice messages based on the increment/decrement of altitude (settings-->TTS/voice

I just tested this new function: it works perfectly!  :)
It is just what I wished as I said in https://oruxmaps.org/forum/index.php?topic=40684.msg53651#msg53651

Thank you very much from many bikers and ultrarunners!

Quote from: Andrea65 on December 03, 2022, 05:18:58 PM
About VTM with Garmin vector maps (made from OpneMtbMaps) using the last Beta 4.

Hello Orux, it may be I have not understood the usage of the VTM option.

I enabled it (VTM map viewer), but I cannot see any difference in the rendering of the Garmin vector maps.

Am I missing something?

Kind regards, Andrea

Visually the map is the same (not with mapsforge maps). What changes is the fluidity, when moving the map, changing zoom levels...
New beta update.

orux

Quote from: orux on November 24, 2022, 05:41:54 PM
:beta6
-->Added a button to access the news channel of the app. From there, notices or news relevant to the app will be posted.

good idea! .. however, the relative button is only present in the menu at the top left (3 horizontal lines) and does not appear in the menu at the top right (3 vertical dots). Perhaps it would be better if it appeared in both menus as each of us uses one or the other...

En la última beta 6 al cargar una ruta en el mapa y querer ver las estadísticas pinchando sobre ella se queda procesando y no las muestra. Adjunto capturas.

PD. Cada vez se hace más laborioso utilizar la app, lo digo porque también se quitaron los botones de acceso directo de "Propiedades" y se trasladó todo a un menú "Tres rayitas"

Quote from: Agus on December 14, 2022, 04:52:58 PM
En la última beta 6 al cargar una ruta en el mapa y querer ver las estadísticas pinchando sobre ella se queda procesando y no las muestra. Adjunto capturas.

PD. Cada vez se hace más laborioso utilizar la app, lo digo porque también se quitaron los botones de acceso directo de "Propiedades" y se trasladó todo a un menú "Tres rayitas"

Actualizada la beta, debe resolverse ese problema.
Sobre los botones. Cada vez hay más opciones, y seguirán creciendo. Con iconos simples termina siendo difícil añadir nuevas opciones, y que sea fácil de interpretar lo que hacen...
Igual mantengo alguna de las opciones básicas en forma de botones.


orux

Quote from: orux on December 15, 2022, 09:18:26 AM
Actualizada la beta, debe resolverse ese problema.
Sobre los botones. Cada vez hay más opciones, y seguirán creciendo. Con iconos simples termina siendo difícil añadir nuevas opciones, y que sea fácil de interpretar lo que hacen...
Igual mantengo alguna de las opciones básicas en forma de botones.


orux

El problema se ha resuelto. Sería interesante que los botones del gestor de rutas y waypoints volvieran a recuperarse o al menos los principales como comentas para el apartado de propiedades.

Hello Orux, hello all,

Is it possible for you to have a look to something?
Now, with the new version of Oruxmaps, when I export a track to a gpx file the name is a little weird:
_![CDATA[2022-12-17 10_43_11]]__FCt6i.gpx

Is it possible to change this and make it work as usual?
The name should be something like this:
2022-12-17 10_43_11.gpx

Notice:
When I import the exported file to my favourite internet site (https://www.visugpx.com) I obtain the name below:
_![CDATA[2022-12-17 10_43_11]]
It's not like before. Before was better.😉

Regards.

Quote from: YvanCB on December 21, 2022, 06:39:37 AM
Hello Orux, hello all,

Is it possible for you to have a look to something?
Now, with the new version of Oruxmaps, when I export a track to a gpx file the name is a little weird:
_![CDATA[2022-12-17 10_43_11]]__FCt6i.gpx

Is it possible to change this and make it work as usual?
The name should be something like this:
2022-12-17 10_43_11.gpx

Notice:
When I import the exported file to my favourite internet site (https://www.visugpx.com) I obtain the name below:
_![CDATA[2022-12-17 10_43_11]]
It's not like before. Before was better.😉

Regards.

Hello, a question, in tracklogs what name does the gpx receive?the correct name appears to me in tracklogs, when I look in the gpx code is when I see the name that you don't want.In my case when I upload the gpx to strava keeps the correct name and not the one inside the code_![CDATA....

Quote from: YvanCB on December 21, 2022, 06:39:37 AM
Hello Orux, hello all,

Is it possible for you to have a look to something?
Now, with the new version of Oruxmaps, when I export a track to a gpx file the name is a little weird:
_![CDATA[2022-12-17 10_43_11]]__FCt6i.gpx

Is it possible to change this and make it work as usual?
The name should be something like this:
2022-12-17 10_43_11.gpx

Notice:
When I import the exported file to my favourite internet site (https://www.visugpx.com (https://www.visugpx.com)) I obtain the name below:
_![CDATA[2022-12-17 10_43_11]]
It's not like before. Before was better.😉

Regards.

It is strange, the CDATA characters are normal xml characters, to indicate that can be spacial characters inside, like this:

<name><![CDATA[name]]></name>
There are no changes about this.
Export any track from your tracks list, then email me with that gpx file,


orux

Hello,

This afternoon I repeat the operation (export a track to a GPX file). The file is now with the good naming??!! I don't understand. Perhaps I made a bad manipulation on my smartphone this morning.
Anyway, when I import this file in VisuGPX, by default, the name is not correct. I have to rename it. Before it wasn't like this.

Any idea about this little issue?

Regards.

Hi orux awsome work, vtm maps are awsome.

Btw I was wondering if it's possible to change the map source for the Route Statistics->Share Icon (top right)->Share a screen capture (ok) -> then it will use some online map source that doesnt load, I went through all the options but couldnt find anyway to change this.

or perhaps if you could link it to the same map source as the thumbnail map source that would work too.

Hello Orux,

I think I have found a bug:

If I activate the option "VTM Map Viewer" (Settings/Maps/VTM map viewer) sometimes when I change zoom level there is a map shifting. The visible zone in the screen change of several meters or kilometers.
For information I'm using off line maps created by MOBAC.
When I remove the option : everything is OK.

Regards.

Quote from: YvanCB on December 28, 2022, 11:39:49 AM
Hello Orux,

I think I have found a bug:

If I activate the option "VTM Map Viewer" (Settings/Maps/VTM map viewer) sometimes when I change zoom level there is a map shifting. The visible zone in the screen change of several meters or kilometers.
For information I'm using off line maps created by MOBAC.
When I remove the option : everything is OK.

Regards.

It's possible.

To use the vtm viewer I do some cheating, otrk2 maps have a lot of difficulties to use.

If you can share a map of those with me, to analyze it.

orux

Hello Orux,

I put a map on Google Drive. I will send you a link in MP.

Regards.

Hello,

When I create my maps with MOBAC, is there any advantage to use "MBTiles SQLites" format instead "Oruxmaps SQLites"?
It seems that the size is smaller...

For the moment I use "Oruxmaps SQLites".
Regards.

Hi,

according to me, YES, there are several MAJOR advantages to use "MBTiles SQLite" format instead of "Oruxmaps SQLite".

The main reason is that tiles, in "Oruxmaps SQLite" are 512x512 pixels, while, natively, most of servers serve tiles 256x256 pixels. As a result, with Oruxmaps format, Mobac is obliged to combine several tiles to produce one, with two major drawbacks :
1) It takes a lot of time.
2) Transparency of tiles (in case of origin tiles are PNG with transparency) is LOST

The first point is not really "sensible" if MOBAC has to download tiles from server, since the time lost in recreating  tiles is almost negligeable vs. time spend in network download. But in case tiles are already present in local tilestore, atlas generation, that is in this case free of network time, may be 10 times or more longer with Oruxmaps format than with MBTiles sqlite format.

The second point is of even higher importance : When reprocessing tiles to generate 512x512 px tiles, native transparency (if it exist) is lost. This remove capability to create "composite" maps directly in Oruxmaps, with an opaque background superposed with a transparent atlas (like tracks from WMarkTrails or Strava, or etc...).

On the other hand, there is one "drawback" (that is not really one) to use MBTiles format in Oruxmaps : In case you have created an atlas in which not all conscutive levels are present (eg. an atlas with only levels 10, 12, 14 and 16), when you zoom in Oruxmaps, missing levels are "displayed" (and screen remains empty for these levels, since data is missing) while with OruxMaps format, missing levels are "skipped" (replacing them by digital zooming of lower level).
Nevertheless, this is not really a drawback, since IMHO there is no interest to let some intermediate levels missing. An atlas with level 10, 12, 14 and 16 is only 20% smaller than the same atlas, with all intermediate levels 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16

Personnally, a long time ago, I used to generate "OruxMaps sqlite" format atlases. But since I discovered the "MBTiles sqlite" format, I now use ONLY this one.

Quote from: LaurentG on December 30, 2022, 03:41:59 PM
Hi,

according to me, YES, there are several MAJOR advantages to use "MBTiles SQLite" format instead of "Oruxmaps SQLite".

The main reason is that tiles, in "Oruxmaps SQLite" are 512x512 pixels, while, natively, most of servers serve tiles 256x256 pixels. As a result, with Oruxmaps format, Mobac is obliged to combine several tiles to produce one, with two major drawbacks :
1) It takes a lot of time.
2) Transparency of tiles (in case of origin tiles are PNG with transparency) is LOST

The first point is not really "sensible" if MOBAC has to download tiles from server, since the time lost in recreating  tiles is almost negligeable vs. time spend in network download. But in case tiles are already present in local tilestore, atlas generation, that is in this case free of network time, may be 10 times or more longer with Oruxmaps format than with MBTiles sqlite format.

The second point is of even higher importance : When reprocessing tiles to generate 512x512 px tiles, native transparency (if it exist) is lost. This remove capability to create "composite" maps directly in Oruxmaps, with an opaque background superposed with a transparent atlas (like tracks from WMarkTrails or Strava, or etc...).

On the other hand, there is one "drawback" (that is not really one) to use MBTiles format in Oruxmaps : In case you have created an atlas in which not all conscutive levels are present (eg. an atlas with only levels 10, 12, 14 and 16), when you zoom in Oruxmaps, missing levels are "displayed" (and screen remains empty for these levels, since data is missing) while with OruxMaps format, missing levels are "skipped" (replacing them by digital zooming of lower level).
Nevertheless, this is not really a drawback, since IMHO there is no interest to let some intermediate levels missing. An atlas with level 10, 12, 14 and 16 is only 20% smaller than the same atlas, with all intermediate levels 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16

Personnally, a long time ago, I used to generate "OruxMaps sqlite" format atlases. But since I discovered the "MBTiles sqlite" format, I now use ONLY this one.

Yes, it is better to use mbtiles if possible.

Other advantages: The mbtiles are always maps with EPSG:3857 projection, they do not need additional files or data. And they are almost a standard, they can be used in many applications.

The advantage of the OruxMaps format is that it supports any projection, it is more flexible.

I didn't know about the transparency issue. I made the mobac plugin a long time ago, I think there were no maps with transparency, we are getting older ;) There was also no possibility to use the mbtiles format. That's why I added mine to the library...

orux

Quote from: LaurentG on December 30, 2022, 03:41:59 PM
...
Nevertheless, this is not really a drawback, since IMHO there is no interest to let some intermediate levels missing. An atlas with level 10, 12, 14 and 16 is only 20% smaller than the same atlas, with all intermediate levels 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16
...

If there are missing layers, it seems that Oruxmaps just apply a numeric zooming of the previous level to create the missing one.
@Orux : Do you confirm?

Regards.

Hello,

I have troubles with MBTiles format map creation with Mobac.
The created Map is OK but the covered area is not the same as before (with Oruxmaps format).
I use the same coordinates, the Tile (x or y / zoom) system.
Please have a look to my 2 maps M11 created with Oruxmaps and MBTiles format (attached file).

This is not very easy to understand the way this different format works.

Regards.

Hello,

I think I have found the problem with map creation on Mobac and MBTiles format.

With MBTiles format the white frame on the border of the map is for the smallest zoom level (the biggest area, Z10).
With Oruxmaps format the white frame on the border of the map is for the biggest zoom level (the smallest area, z17).

If I'm right, is it possible to make MBTiles works the same way that Oruxmaps,
the white frame around the biggest zoom level?

Regards.

Hi,

i've the same problem with zooming.
I'm using Openandromaps with the Elevate-Mapstyle.

When i decrease zoom-level, it's not possible to increase after that.
The zoom-level then stays decreased.

Best Regards
Didi

Hello,
I'm here again with my problem of frames with MBTiles format maps.
Does somebody have the same issue?
I really want to use the MBTiles format. It's faster to create Maps. But with this issue I'm confused, the shown delimited zone is for the zoom z10, I would like to have the zoom Z17.
Regards.

Perhaps the problem comes from the fact that with Oruxmaps maps format there is one file for each zoom level?
With MBTiles maps format there only one file for all zoom levels.
Am I right? Is there a way to change this?
Regards.

QuoteHello,
I'm here again with my problem of frames with MBTiles format maps.
Does somebody have the same issue?
I really want to use the MBTiles format. It's faster to create Maps. But with this issue I'm confused, the shown delimited zone is for the zoom z10, I would like to have the zoom Z17.
Regards.

Hi,

I think the issue isn't with oruxmaps but with the way you create your MBTILES with MOBAC.
In MOBAC you can display a grid that correspond to tiles boundaries at a given zoom level. You have to display it at the lowest zoom level you are going to use in the map you want to create, that way, all the zoom levels in the resulting map will cover exactly the same area.
If you choose an higher zoom level for the grid, lower zoom levels of the map will cover an bigger area than higher ones.

BTW, it makes little sense to skip zoom levels as you do.

Cheers

Quote from: Juanjo on January 15, 2023, 09:18:01 PM
BTW, it makes little sense to skip zoom levels as you do.

I would even say more : With MBTiles format, you MUSTN'T skip zoom levels. Otherwise, when you zoom in OruxMaps at a level that is not present in the Atlas, OM displays what is in the atlas....ie. an empty map !
It's actually the ONLY known drawback of MBTiles format vs OruxMaps Sqlite format (in OM Sqlte, when a level is missing, OruxMaps displays a numeric zoom of the level below, rather than an empty level)

And even with OruxMaps Sqlite format, it would make no sense to skip zoom levels. In your example, if you add the missing levels, 12, 14 and 16, your atlas will be only 25% larger than without them

Now, on the root of your initial question, Juanjo's answer is the right one.

In OruxMaps format, the bounds of the map are defined level per level (in the xml file), and OM consider the "smallest" bounds (the one covered by all levels) as the map bounds.
While in MBTiles format, they are defined ony once (in the database) for all levels, and it is the "largest" bounds (the one covered by at least one level) that are memorized as the map bounds.
To reach your request, then, two solutions :
- do as described by Juanjo (because in this case, all the levels have the same bounds)
- or ask a modification of MOBAC (in MOBAC's forum) to put in MBTile databse the bounds of the highest level rather than those of the lowest one.
But clearly, there is nothing to modify in OruxMaps itself

I just asked for the modification in MOBAC. (see here : https://sourceforge.net/p/mobac/forum/general/thread/3a86f69952/ )
We'll see how it will end...

QuoteI just asked for the modification in MOBAC. (see here : https://sourceforge.net/p/mobac/forum/general/thread/3a86f69952/ )
We'll see how it will end...

Good ;-)

As an argument to convince MOBAC developer, you can point him to the MBTiles spec (https://github.com/mapbox/mbtiles-spec/blob/master/1.3/spec.md#content), which explicitly states that 'Bounds must define an area covered by all zoom levels'

Hello,
Amazing, I couldn't imagine that my little question will make so much agitation!
Thank you guys (LaurentG; Juanjo).
If I understand, we have to wait for a new Mobac's release?
Regards.

Quote from: YvanCB on January 16, 2023, 03:44:13 PM
If I understand, we have to wait for a new Mobac's release?

Yes, it would be the best.
If you are in hurry, you can also generate your own version. It's clearly explained here : https://sourceforge.net/p/mobac/forum/general/thread/3a86f69952/
Personnally, I did it (it's easy), and resulting version works as expected.

Hello,
I will test this new file (MBTiles.java) with Mobac.
Thank you very much!
Regards.

Don't hesitate also to support my request on MOBAC's forum....

Quote from: LaurentG on January 17, 2023, 04:40:10 PM
Don't hesitate also to support my request on MOBAC's forum....

It's done.
I hope they will understand me...
Regards.

Hello LaurentG (and all the others  ;)),

It seems your are a  good user of Mobac. Can you have a look to my post on Mobac Forum?
https://sourceforge.net/p/mobac/forum/general/thread/95bbf41816/ (https://sourceforge.net/p/mobac/forum/general/thread/95bbf41816/)
I'm talking about an "issue" with tiles selection...

Regards

Hi @YvanCB and @Juanjo,

did you see that a new version of MOBAC (2.31) has been published today ?
Among some other modifs, there is the update of MBTiles atlases to have the "limits" of the map set to the higest zoom, ie. to what is covered by ALL zooms present in the map.

Hello,

It's a very good news for us (and for me)  :)!
I will try this.

Regards.

Quote from: LaurentG on January 18, 2023, 06:28:35 PM
Hi @YvanCB and @Juanjo,

did you see that a new version of MOBAC (2.31) has been published today ?
Among some other modifs, there is the update of MBTiles atlases to have the "limits" of the map set to the higest zoom, ie. to what is covered by ALL zooms present in the map.

Thank you LaurentG, I will give it a try

Hi Ourx,
with 9.7 Beta 8 (and all Versions like 9.6.3 GP/ 7.4.26 before)I got always a hint top modify energy options, whenever I start to record a track. But I configured "Not to optimize". This issued occurs after I updated to Oneplus Oxygen OS 12.1/Android 12 on my Oneplus Nord.
With Android 11/Oxygen OS11.x this issue did not occure.

Hello Scotty,

I have a Huawei p40 pro+.
I have this kind of problem.
I read lot of things, talk on several forums, test everything: this problem is still there.
I have installed OM on lot of smartphone, the problem is only on my Huawei.

I hope that Orux can do something to fix this issue but I think that is not a problem due to Oruxmaps.

Regards.

PS: I have installed "GPS Status" it seems to work better... I'm not really sure, I have to make more tries.

Beta10 changes look very interesting, and Sicami looks good!!!
Thank you!!

Quote from: YvanCB on December 21, 2022, 06:39:37 AM
When I import the exported file to my favourite internet site (https://www.visugpx.com) I obtain the name below:
_![CDATA[2022-12-17 10_43_11]]
It's not like before. Before was better.😉

Regards.

Oruxmaps 9.7beta10 version:

Hello,
Now the exported GPX filename is ok.
Therefore the problem is still there when I import this file in a website.
Can you tell me what you think about this?
Regards.

Quote from: YvanCB on February 10, 2023, 07:19:07 AM
Oruxmaps 9.7beta10 version:

Hello ,
Now the exported GPX filename is ok.
Therefore the problem is still there when I import this file in a website.
Can you tell me what you think about this?
Regards.

Hi YvanCB, are you referring to the website https://sicami.com? Or are you talking about another website?

Hello,

I'm referring to https://www.visugpx.com/ (https://www.visugpx.com/) :

I just tried with https://sicami.com. The problem is not present

I am attaching 2 files:

• "Test.gpx" is a file downloaded from a website. No problem when I import it in Visugpx.
• "Exported Test.gpx" is the previous file imported in Oruxmpas, then exported to a GPX file (name Exported File.gpx), then imported in Visugpx. The problem is there.

I have edited the 2 files with an XML editor ==> the issue seems to come from the tag called "Name".
Have a look to the Tag given by Oruxmaps :

<name><![CDATA[Exported Test]]></name>

I think something goes wrong with Oruxmaps. Not important for lot of uses but in my case it's a little bit annoying.

Regards.

Quote from: YvanCB on February 12, 2023, 09:37:28 AM
Hello,

I'm referring to https://www.visugpx.com/ (https://www.visugpx.com/) :

I just tried with https://sicami.com (https://sicami.com). The problem is not present

I am attaching 2 files:

   
• "Test.gpx" is a file downloaded from a website. No problem when I import it in Visugpx.
• "Exported Test.gpx" is the previous file imported in Oruxmpas, then exported to a GPX file (name Exported File.gpx), then imported in Visugpx. The problem is there.

I have edited the 2 files with an XML editor ==> the issue seems to come from the tag called "Name".
Have a look to the Tag given by Oruxmaps :

<name><![CDATA[Exported Test]]></name>

I think something goes wrong with Oruxmaps. Not important for lot of uses but in my case it's a little bit annoying.

Regards.

If I upload that file to that website, it seems to read the right name:

(https://i.ibb.co/1qmLh6n/imagen.png) (https://ibb.co/6PWmVBZ)



orux

Hello,
There is two ways to see a track in VisuGPX:

• The way you have used "visualiser une trace"
• The way I use every time "Créer une trace"

Result is not the same. By my way:

(https://full.ouplo.com/17/6/KAt8.jpg) (https://www.ouplo.com)

What do you think about this?

Regards.

Quote from: YvanCB on February 12, 2023, 06:29:22 PM
Hello,
There is two ways to see a track in VisuGPX:

   
• The way you have used "visualiser une trace"
• The way I use every time "Créer une trace"

Result is not the same. By my way:



What do you think about this?

Regards.

It does not let me.

It takes me out of the page (I have a user on that website). Using firefox or chrome But the <name><![CDATA[Exported Test]]></name> tag is correct.

Have you asked the support of that website?


orux

Hello,
I will ask, the developer is a good guy (like you ;)).
But the way is works now comes with a new version around the 21 of December.
Regards.

PS: Do you agree with me that the name should be "Exported Test"?

Quote from: YvanCB on February 13, 2023, 07:48:23 AM
Hello,
I will ask, the developer is a good guy (like you ;) ).
But the way is works now comes with a new version around the 21 of December.
Regards.

PS: Do you agree with me that the name should be "Exported Test"?

Yes, the name should be Exported Test.
The <![CDATA[]]> means in xml language that you can use any character inside the tag, including those special for xml languaje.

orux

Hello,

You're right Orux! There was a mistake with the website VisuGPX.
The developer of VisuGPX has corrected the problem.
No more trouble :D.

Regards.

PS: VisuGPX is for me the best website to create and manage tracks for bikes.

Quote from: YvanCB on February 13, 2023, 03:23:52 PM
You're right Orux!

Orux is ALWAYS right !  ;) :D

In beta 9.7.10  using VTM map viewer Settings - User interface - Cursor - Cursor to bottom does not work. The cursor is in the center.
If I don't use VTM map viewer the option cursor to bottom works!
very strange... :-\

so, SICAMI ? ... what about us who don't understand spanish?

Quote from: kkolesar on February 16, 2023, 03:55:10 PM
so, SICAMI ? ... what about us who don't understand spanish?

Hello, you have the option to select the English language as indicated in the attached image.

Hello, you have the option to select the English language as indicated in the attached image.

We hope that if the website is successful and there are enough visits we can offer more language options

If you find something with an incorrect translation, we are willing to change it.

Thank you

Hello,

With the PC version:

(https://full.ouplo.com/17/7/xIpi.jpg) (https://www.ouplo.com)

Regards.

Hello, from Sicami Tracks (https://sicami.com/en), we would be grateful if you would notify us of any incident, failure or possible improvement on our website.

Thank you so much!!!

Quote from: sica_2022 on February 17, 2023, 12:54:58 PM
Hello, from Sicami Tracks (https://sicami.com/en), we would be grateful if you would notify us of any incident, failure or possible improvement on our website.

Thank you so much!!!

Hola, lo que querrá decir el compañero es que aunque se elija el idioma Inglés, algunos artículos se ven en español y el enunciado de algunos submenús también.

Quote from: kkolesar on February 16, 2023, 03:55:10 PM
so, SICAMI ? ... what about us who don't understand spanish?

you can use the translation option of your favorite browser.The translation offered by the web is not automatic.

🅃🅁🄾🄽🄿🄾

Los artículos poco a poco los vamos traduciendo, por desgracia estamos ahora mismo un poco desbordados.

Lo que falte por traducir de menús me preocupa más, debe de ser por que se no lo hayamos visto, revisaremos, pero por favor si ya sabéis algunos que no estén traducidos decidlo por favor.

Muchas graicas de nuevo!!!

--------------------

Little by little we are translating the articles, unfortunately we are a bit overwhelmed right now.

What remains to be translated from the menus worries me more, it must be because we haven't seen it, we'll review it, but please, if you already know some that aren't translated, please say so.

Thank you very much again!!!

Quote from: sica_2022 on February 17, 2023, 01:51:40 PM
Los artículos poco a poco los vamos traduciendo, por desgracia estamos ahora mismo un poco desbordados.

Lo que falte por traducir de menús me preocupa más, debe de ser por que se no lo hayamos visto, revisaremos, pero por favor si ya sabéis algunos que no estén traducidos decidlo por favor.

Muchas graicas de nuevo!!!

--------------------

Little by little we are translating the articles, unfortunately we are a bit overwhelmed right now.

What remains to be translated from the menus worries me more, it must be because we haven't seen it, we'll review it, but please, if you already know some that aren't translated, please say so.

Thank you very much again!!!

how about creating a seperate SICAMI thread here in category "GENERAL, and pinning it there?
SICAMI seems to replace the oruxmaps server soon.
Matt

Quote from: Agus on February 17, 2023, 05:07:42 PM

Translated the text that is in the image menu, and some other texts that we have reviewed.

Thanks Agus

Quote from: matt on February 17, 2023, 06:22:55 PM
how about creating a seperate SICAMI thread here in category "GENERAL, and pinning it there?
SICAMI seems to replace the oruxmaps server soon.
Matt

No problem from us

Quote from: YvanCB on February 17, 2023, 09:07:09 AM
Hello,

With the PC version:

(https://full.ouplo.com/17/7/xIpi.jpg) (https://www.ouplo.com)

Regards.

thank you!

just a thought - maybe it would be better to use flags for languages.

Quote from: kkolesar on February 17, 2023, 10:48:38 PM

thank you!

just a thought - maybe it would be better to use flags for languages.

Helllo, We have added flags for the languages.

Quote from: sica_2022 on February 21, 2023, 07:13:14 PM
Helllo, We have added flags for the languages.

To attract more people you might integrate a flag in the main menue  :)? The point is that not all foreigners know that "Idioma" means "language selection". You could copy from https://www.openandromaps.org/ (https://www.openandromaps.org/) for example.

Quote from: tstreibl on February 22, 2023, 01:58:18 AM
To attract more people you might integrate a flag in the main menue  :)? The point is that not all foreigners know that "Idioma" means "language selection". You could copy from https://www.openandromaps.org/ (https://www.openandromaps.org/) for example.

If you are right. We have done it, thank you very much!!!

The possibility of changing the units of measurement of distances and altitudes to imperial metric system has been added in https://sicami.com.

Thank you very much to all of you who are using our website, thanks to you we are getting better every day.

Any suggestion that you want to make related to this or another topic will be well received and greatly appreciated.

Greetings!!!

Quote from: sica_2022 on March 10, 2023, 09:02:23 PM
The possibility of changing the units of measurement of distances and altitudes to imperial metric system has been added in https://sicami.com.

Thank you very much to all of you who are using our website, thanks to you we are getting better every day.

Any suggestion that you want to make related to this or another topic will be well received and greatly appreciated.

Greetings!!!

Hello,
Sicami seems to be a good website. Is there an official forum to talk about it?
I think I will have some questions/requests/ etc...
For example:

• Is it possible to delete directly a track in "My Activities" without enter in the track? Please have a look to the attached picture.
• Is it possible to have an option in 3d viewing to auto rotate the camera when the moving cursor is behind a mountain?

regards

Quote from: YvanCB on March 11, 2023, 09:08:22 AM
Hello,
Sicami seems to be a good website. Is there an official forum to talk about it?
I think I will have some questions/requests/ etc...
For example:

• Is it possible to delete directly a track in "My Activities" without enter in the track? Please have a look to the attached picture.
• Is it possible to have an option in 3d viewing to auto rotate the camera when the moving cursor is behind a mountain?

regards

Hello and thank you very much for your comments, for now mass modification/deletion is not possible, we hope to be able to add that functionality in a short time.

For questions related to Sicami right now there is no official group, there are two Oruxmpas Telegram groups where there is much talk about Sicami, and through this forum we will also answer questions. You can also ask us questions through our email (info@sicami.com) , and through our Telegram account @Sicami.

As for the automatic detection of obstacles between the camera and the track point, we have tested it but it makes the animation take longer to start playing. Since you can already move the camera position and zoom with your fingers or mouse without pausing the animation, we are not working on that right now. But we have it on the list of tasks to improve it in the future.

Hello and thank you very much for your comments, for now mass modification/deletion is not possible, we hope to be able to add that functionality in a short time.

As for the automatic detection of obstacles between the camera and the track point, we have tested it but it makes the animation take longer to start playing. Since you can already move the camera position and zoom with your fingers or mouse without pausing the animation, we are not working on that right now. But we have it on the list of tasks to improve it in the future.

Thank you very much again!!

Buenas tardes, con la última beta, android 13 y un sansumg s20 ultra 5g, no funciona la funcion de panel de control lateral en formato apaisado.

Gracias, un cordial saludo.

Quote from: Quercus.JB on March 12, 2023, 09:45:15 PM
Buenas tardes, con la última beta, android 13 y un sansumg s20 ultra 5g, no funciona la funcion de panel de control lateral en formato apaisado.

Gracias, un cordial saludo.

Buenas!
¿Qué no funciona? ¿Podrías enviarme alguna captura o vídeo?

orux

Buenos días Orux, cuanto tiempo... un placer volver a estar por aqui. Si cuando selecciono el perfil horizontal tengo el movil en horizontal, funciona, si el movil está en vertical, al seleccionar el perfil no muestra el cuadro lateral. Tengo un video pero no se si se puede subir por aquí. Gracias.

Hi Orux, in beta 9.7.16  using VTM map viewer Settings - User interface - Cursor - Cursor to bottom does not work. The cursor is in the center. If I don't use VTM map viewer the option cursor to bottom works!   very strange...  :-\

ps: another small request: it would be nice to be able to use the offline maps to generate the thumbnails of the tracks 8)
Thanks for your great work.

Solo uso mapas IGN y realmente veo la diferencia desde todos los puntos de vista (3D, etc). Muchas gracias a José Vazquez, su desarrollador dedicado, receptivo y paciente.

Hi, using an old android 7.1.1 orux 9.7beta 18 works perfectly with OpenAndroMaps and and map style "elevate" (last version 5.2) 
that I can configure (picture A - mtb, for instance).
However if I activate VTM viewer the theme "elevate" doesn't work (picture B): why?? :(

On an other phone with android 13 map style works with and without VTM activation.....

Hello,

with using the Beta 9.7.x i have the following question:

Sometimes when i load a GPX-track, Oruxmaps shows a lot of circles with numbers, e.g. "2" or "4".
I think it happens, when the track has a lot of points.

Is it possible to disable these points? How can i do that?
I know that there is an option "Max points per track", but that doesn't help.

Regards
Didi

QuoteSometimes when i load a GPX-track, Oruxmaps shows a lot of circles with numbers, e.g. "2" or "4".
I think it happens, when the track has a lot of points.

It happens when several waypoints are close to each other. In that case, oruxmaps groups them in clusters, the figure inside is the number of waypoints in the cluster.

QuoteIs it possible to disable these points? How can i do that?

Using the new unified interface, on the left drawer goto 'Waypoints' and deactivate the 'Group Waypoints' option.

Juanjo, thanks a lot, that works  :)